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nojstoday at 1:36 AM5 repliesview on HN

> Every week, somewhere between 1.2 and 3 million ChatGPT users, roughly the population of a small country, show signals of psychosis, mania, suicidal planning, or unhealthy emotional dependence on the model.

> Why is mental-health crisis not a gating category, the kind where the conversation stops, full stop, and the user is routed to a human?

Well, obviously “routing to a human” is not feasible at that scale. And cold exiting the conversation is probably worse for the user than answering carefully.


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hx8today at 1:47 AM

I don't think it's obvious that routing to a human is infeasible. I'm sure many local authorities, health agencies, and non-profits would be okay being routed to. Additionally, I'm sure many of the users are the same week over week, so giving them long term care would reduce the total volume. Finally, there is a long gap between psychosis and emotional dependence, so there could be some triage to make sure those most in need have human intervention.

Gigachadtoday at 1:43 AM

Tech companies will pull trillions of dollars out of their asses when the problem is boosting ad revenue or automating people out of a job. But when asked to deal with the crisis they invented and dumped on society the answer is “that’s impossible, doesn’t scale”

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concindstoday at 1:43 AM

"Routed to a human" is what the suicide hotline numbers do. OpenAI employees are neither trained nor credible to do that stuff.

godelskitoday at 2:54 AM

  > is not feasible at that scale
I want to use an analogy here. The same arguments are often made about cleaning up environmental damage. So either make the companies doing the polluting pay for the costs themselves or if we care so much about them being profitable then we subsidize them by paying for those cleanup efforts out of taxes. Doing nothing is a worse form of subsidy as it not only costs more (in literal dollars) but shoulders that costs onto the people with the least ability to pay for it. The problem is you're treating "doing nothing" as having no cost. It has a high cost, but the cost is also highly distributed.

So if it is not scalable, then why subsidize them? This is literally a tragedy of the commons situation. Personally, I'm in favor of making the people who make a mess clean up that mess. I really don't understand why this is such a contentious opinion.

swatcodertoday at 1:58 AM

Well, then maybe you can't scale it as a free service with self-serve signups. Maybe you need to gate who you allow to use it and pace how intensely they can engage. Or maybe you need to look for other solutions.

Yielding to "not feasible at scale" is exactly how we ended up with a lot of today's most pressing and almost intractible problems, from social media's ills to person and society straight through to enshittification and non-repairability.

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