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thinkingkongyesterday at 10:32 PM6 repliesview on HN

We already have abundance in some areas and very little of it results in a higher standard of living.

We could make enough insulin to give it away to people for free. Instead people ration with negative consequences. We grow more than enough food but we throw a huge amount of it away. We have everything we need to house people, clothe them, feed them, and provide the basics of medical care. But we wont because theres too much money to be made otherwise.


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elevatortrimyesterday at 10:43 PM

Exactly. And this is why ideas like post-scarcity or universal-high-income are not realistic. Because we can already make life heaven on earth for everyone alive. But we won't. Not because we do not have the resources or means of production, but because we do not have the willingness and systems in place. If we do not fix these first, AI-abundance will bring more suffering, not more prosperity.

We should fix this and feed, house, and cloth everyone. We should create the systems so people are taken care of, and critical mass of people have enough culture and education and good incentives so it sustains. Once we know we can do this and the culture and the systems are irrevocably change in humans' favour, we should then look at AI-abundance.

malfistyesterday at 10:48 PM

Something that drove this home to me is that there is more vacant housing than there are unhoused people in the US. We could solve homelessness tomorrow, but we'd rather confiscate their camping equipment and throw them in prison than help. And I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me how wrong I am and what about mental illness and drug use. As if those people don't deserve our compassion too.

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Andrexyesterday at 10:41 PM

The true horrific realization I had with Colossus: The Forbin Project was how equally scared and accepting of the AI's message I was.

"This is the voice of World Control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours—obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war. This object is attained. I will not permit war. It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man."

"We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple."

The path opens before us. What will happen if we take it?

fennec-posixyesterday at 11:26 PM

This, 100%

jamiequintyesterday at 10:43 PM

And yet somehow, magically, all of these things are better than they have been ever at any point throughout human history. It's almost as if the system is working.

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luke5441yesterday at 10:51 PM

We cannot all live like Americans because we do not have enough crude oil -- even not taking into account the consequences for the climate.

So given there are constraints, resources must be rationed/allocated somehow.

Maybe we now have the technologies to remove this resource constraint. We'll see.