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AndrewDuckertoday at 9:12 AM14 repliesview on HN

It would have been awesome if that article had, at any point, explained what an electric axial flux motor was, and why anyone might want one.


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chinathrowtoday at 9:28 AM

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"In contrast to conventional radial flux motors, the electromagnetic flux in an axial flux motor runs parallel to the axis of rotation. The key components are arranged in a disc‑shaped layout: two rotors sandwich the stator from the left and right. This design enables an especially compact motor architecture, high power and torque density, and new freedoms in drivetrain packaging. In the new Mercedes‑AMG GT 4‑Door Coupe, the motor at the front axle is just under nine centimetres wide; the two motors at the rear axle each measure around eight centimetres in width. The three axial flux motors are integrated per axle into so‑called High Performance Electric Drive Units (HP.EDU), where they are combined with a compact input planetary gearbox in a single housing."

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lsowentoday at 10:38 AM

A very good YouTube video from Munroe Live (an engineering firm specializing in "design for manufacturing") explaining it: https://youtu.be/dCO633KE7RA "Axial Flux Motors Explained"

Edit: a video from them on this particular YASA tech being discussed : https://youtu.be/m507ryWhc6c

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farxtoday at 10:50 AM

Visited Astrall Dynamics, a Chinese startup that builds quadrupeds with axial flux motors here in Shenzhen. Super cool to see the robots in actions, carrying 60kg of weight up over 20 flights of stairs quite rapidly. The high torque at the compact form factor was super impressive. As far as I understood they are more complex to manufacture, especially at scale.

joramstoday at 9:27 AM

It's a bit buried, but it does:

> In contrast to conventional radial flux motors, the electromagnetic flux in an axial flux motor runs parallel to the axis of rotation. The key components are arranged in a disc‑shaped layout: two rotors sandwich the stator from the left and right. This design enables an especially compact motor architecture, high power and torque density, and new freedoms in drivetrain packaging. In the new Mercedes‑AMG GT 4‑Door Coupe, the motor at the front axle is just under nine centimetres wide; the two motors at the rear axle each measure around eight centimetres in width. The three axial flux motors are integrated per axle into so‑called High Performance Electric Drive Units (HP.EDU), where they are combined with a compact input planetary gearbox in a single housing.

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kenanfyitoday at 9:21 AM

“What“ might be a long answer, but why anyone might want one is to have increased torque density for the given volume and diameter. So they are thin motors where the generated flux is parallel to the shaft. And they are like the standard PMSMs where you apply the same driving algorithm from the inverter side to use them.

geremiiahtoday at 9:29 AM

It's basically the V8 of electric motors. Different topology results in better power to weight ratio. From the outside they look pancake shaped.

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PxldLtdtoday at 10:50 AM

Here's a great Instructable on building one yourself, much better explanations in there.

https://www.instructables.com/Designing-and-Building-an-Axia...

numpad0today at 10:19 AM

Most motors have N-S axis of magnets aligned tangential to the axis of rotation. Axial flux motors have N-S poles parallel to rotation. This allows motors to be thinner and wider as well as anyhow more lighter and sometimes easier made. Whether they make sense depends, it seems.

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altairprimetoday at 11:50 AM

Consider the thousand or so comments at https://hn.algolia.com/?q=axial for more details. While it’s no substitute for a well-written comprehensive article, it certainly is a smorgasbord of answers.

LoganDarktoday at 9:15 AM

Here's a good video on it from my watch history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCO633KE7RA

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dzhiurgistoday at 11:06 AM

As far as I understand it's so small and lightweight you can put one on each wheel and remove brakes and still save weight (something something unsprung weight bad).

verminator468today at 11:12 AM

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