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tyretoday at 1:27 AM12 repliesview on HN

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice.

Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.


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jeroenhdtoday at 1:37 AM

I don't buy that anymore. The day America threatened to invade Canada and Denmark was the day America showed they cannot be trusted any more.

It's not like China can be trusted either, but China isn't planning any direct invasions to the west. Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. They might get some info on you, but the data brokers in the west will sell a lot more details about you, pre-categorized and all.

If you're afraid of industrial espionage, Chinese companies may be a risk, but in that case you shouldn't be uploading your secrets to an AI company in the first place.

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wyrdcurttoday at 3:46 AM

Less likely to align with your interests maybe, but have you considered that not everyone has the same interests?

Personally I am much more concerned about handing my data over to the government that actually has power over me and labels dissenters terrorists than I am with the government overseas that has no direct effect on my life... well, other than providing alternative LLMs with permissive licenses that can be hosted anywhere in the world... but to each their own, I suppose.

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rcr-antitoday at 2:31 AM

Being open weight, the Chinese models can be served the same way as Anthropic's: via AWS or GCP. Or whomever really, or on prem.

plandistoday at 1:37 AM

> I know which one I'd rather send tokens to.

Do you have access to Mythos? If not the choice has already been made for you.

nickthegreektoday at 2:13 AM

You don’t have to run the chinese models in chinese data centers as many of them are open weights. Some could say that trumps both.

deauxtoday at 4:41 AM

> Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to.

You meant to write "Between the Chinese government and the US government". Completely agreed though, better to send it to the former.

foogazitoday at 3:17 AM

What if the model is hosted on a 3rd party site ?

ls612today at 3:08 AM

You don't have to send your tokens to the CCP to use the Chinese models, that is the beauty of it. You can find GLM, Minimax, Deepseek, Kimi, etc hosted in China, Europe, the US, and probably elsewhere depending on what your geographic preferences for token transport are.

ebbitoday at 3:26 AM

Given recent history, I'd be more likely to be killed by American actions than Chinese ones.

greenavocadotoday at 3:24 AM

China won't arrest you for wrongthink where you live now

digitaltreestoday at 4:14 AM

Except the open weights can live on your hardware so no one gets your tokens.

LNSYtoday at 3:41 AM

At least China isn't a terrorist state run by Jeffery Epstein Associates. It's a nation run by engineers, and it has flaws, but at least the people at the top know how to read.

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