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Luker88today at 11:30 AM7 repliesview on HN

The EU reference for wallets strictly required google play services https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro...

So Italy's IO app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app (wallet, documents, age verification) continuously refuses the users' request for GrapheneOS support and requires google.

Nothing will change until the lawsuits start coming in.

The only hope is the motorola/grapheneOS collaboration and consumer associations, that might sue for anticompetitive behavior.

Make noise on any channel for the apps that require play services, it will help in the future if the lawsuits start, since it will show user support for the initiative.


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WhyNotHugotoday at 12:15 PM

The issue isn't just the technical dependency.

It's also the fact that it forces each citizen to pay a few hundred Euros to companies which then campaign against their very rights.

Citizens get no support of any kind in case of issues, and has to enter a contractual agreement which is ridiculously asymmetrical, where the company has little to no responsibility of any kind, but has very ample rights to track the other party in extremely creepy ways.

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Retr0idtoday at 12:44 PM

Special-casing support for GrapheneOS would be a band-aid, they should find a way to avoid requiring remote attestation in the first place, so anyone can use whatever OS they like on whatever hardware they like.

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71bwtoday at 11:38 AM

The lawsuits, sadly, won't matter. "Security" (or, rather, totalitarian control!) is more important than the 1% of nerds who care enough to tinker with their phone.

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teekerttoday at 12:16 PM

Motorola/GrapheneOS, and FairPhone/e/OS.

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whizztertoday at 11:41 AM

Honestly, as long as the architectures is fatally flawed (Even if convenient) it's just bandaids over a larger issue.

These mobile id's are too powerful, signing contracts, transfering all your funds or taking loans, regulation is also papering it over a bit by requiring high-stakes lenders,etc to do additional checks.

Germany was going in the right direction imho, they NFC enabled their ID cards (Sweden has info on them but no enablement procedures) that is then paired with the app, so the card acts as a 2nd factor that makes the app itself less of a security issue since a user will be required to physically enable it (sadly the NFC pairings are kinda fiddly.. but I'd take that as a security option for all non-trivial transfers).

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m4xptoday at 12:04 PM

There is too much corruption, nothing can be done at this point. Atleast CIE app works on graphene for now so I can do everything else on the web. If they block that idk what I would even do.

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