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IG_Semmelweisstoday at 4:17 AM3 repliesview on HN

What are the financial "instruments" ?

The main claims from the article seem worrysome, IN particular, the 37% vacancy rate, as well as multiple buildings underwater[3], etc.

Now, lets dissect the claims that this is part of some cycle, and not the result of new city hall management. The reality is that with Jumpstart, and with the vacancy rate, enterprises are not renting. But, the owner is stuck with the asset in what is now a hostile jurisdiction. So, even if owner may not be able to change terms on their mortgage, they certainly can charge less for rent. Empty units do not contribute to cash flows to pay the building mortage. I understand there may be consequences to lowering rents, but those consequences are coming home anyway: The building will need to be sold, at a loss, by the bank to a new owner. And as you said, that process takes time. And the jurisdiction seems hellbent to make it harder.

Now, as buildings sell, this in turn lowers the appraised value, which is key to the Seattle tax base.

So, the downtown core is going to produce far less in property taxes in the foreseeable future, with fewer tenants paying (at least in short term) occupancy taxes, etc. This is going to play out in a decade.

According to this, commercial property taxes are about 26 %[1] of the Seattle budget

Let's assume appraisals go down 50% for those impaired offices. This is not crazy, there's precendent for it[2]. That means the Seattle budget must be cut by 13%. This is not even factoring other losses from job loss, sales tax lost, etc. Maybe that's not "Seattle is dying" , but sound pretty bad ?

[1] https://www.seattle.gov/documents/departments/financedepartm...

[2] Seattle/downtown office properties lost ~$10–15+ billion in assessed value since 2020 (46–48% drop) . https://cdn.downtownseattle.org/app/uploads/2026/06/New-Repo...

[3] https://www.king5.com/article/money/business/downtown-seattl...


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Schiendelmantoday at 4:27 AM

The financial instruments are commercial real estate loans.

Those loans often do not allow the borrower to charge lower rent.

Property taxes are not calculated that way. The property tax rate for a given year is backed into (a "mill rate") based on approved dollars of spending divided by total property value. If total citywide property value drops by 50%, the property tax rate doubles that year.

So no, the property value changes aren't really an issue.

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toast0today at 5:29 AM

> So, the downtown core is going to produce far less in property taxes in the foreseeable future, with fewer tenants paying (at least in short term) occupancy taxes, etc. This is going to play out in a decade.

> According to this, commercial property taxes are about 26 %[1] of the Seattle budget

In WA state, the property tax collected isn't related to the total of the assessed value. The total tax billed across all existing properties typically goes up 1% per year (the "levy lid"), unless voters have allowed a "levy lid lift". That total is apportioned amongst the properties by value.

So if everybody's property values drop in half, their property tax rate doubles (plus a little) and their tax bill stays about the same.

Of course, if commercial property assessments drop and residential assessments stay the same or go up, commercial bills will drop and residential bills will go up. But the total tax bill will still be 1% more than last year.

adam_arthurtoday at 4:33 AM

An increase in vacancies across the board is reduction in demand, plain and simple.

That the new equilibrium price to re-tenant all the buildings is lower is evidence of that.

But the OP is correct that when enough of the building owners default on their debt, the building will be foreclosed, sold for less and asking rents will go down towards the new equilibrium price.

Thus occupancy is likely to improve again down the line.

But, yes, this is not a bullish situation for Seattle. Office generally hasn't been doing well nationally, so it's more of a question of relative performance.