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Apple is very much like WhatsApp. Yes you cant perfectly trust their E2EE against state actors, but both in fact put some effort into making world have little bit more privacy.

At least on Desktop we have usable Linux, but on the phones there is literally nothing usable because thanks to Google efforts switching to GrapheneOS mean tons of apps either not working or break every few months.

Yes its possible to make Andoid spy on you a little less, but even for tech savvy person its damn inconvinient and Google making platform worse with every single release.

Thanks to Google "security" I can use my banking apps on 9 years old device with 6 years outdated firmware, but not on GrapheneOS.


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Pfhortunetoday at 4:45 PM

> hanks to Google efforts switching to GrapheneOS mean tons of apps either not working or break every few months.

I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it. Pretty much everything else I use is fine. But, to be fair, I'm very scrupulous about my apps and tend to avoid installing an app for every little thing that wants me to.

drnick1today at 6:35 PM

> thanks to Google efforts switching to GrapheneOS mean tons of apps either not working or break every few months.

Sometimes, all you need is a Web browser. I personally don't want any "apps" on my phone that aren't basic utilities.

I am aware some banks in Europe require 2FA on a mobile device. Short of switching banks, my answer to that is a cheap or e-waste Googled Android phone that stays at home and serves that sole purpose.

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Cider9986today at 4:20 PM

> Apple is very much like WhatsApp. Yes you cant perfectly trust their E2EE against state actors, but both in fact put some effort into making world have little bit more privacy.

They probably use E2EE just so they don't have to respond to court orders and such.

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