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wanderingmindtoday at 5:10 AM8 repliesview on HN

100 percent can relate on the relentless curiosity of a child. I was dumbfounded yesterday by this question -> if cars go at high speed, and breaks stop it suddenly, how come the friction doesn't generate enough heat to start a spark?


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My_Nametoday at 5:36 AM

They generate enough energy to, I mean have you seen racing brake discs?

It's just that the energy is spread out over a larger area (brake discs/pads as opposed to a tiny spark) that is also constantly being cooled by air movement, so the energy in any one point is not enough to ignite any of the materials involved. It's why they used to put asbestos in the brake pads, but they now use ceramics and other heat-resistant materials.

Also, engineering.

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samuelltoday at 5:33 AM

I think it is simply designed that way.

In my experience sparks are generally generated when quite small metal surfaces get in contact at high speeds, meaning they can generate a lot of friction in a very small point, and thus not have enough braking effect despite the local friction in one small point (think rail wheels squeeking in curves).

Brakes OTOH are designed to spread out the friction on a somewhat larger area, which allows more material to take up the friction and the heat, and spread it around.

I know brakes can get extremely hot too though, and after a really hard braking you might have to worry about deformed brakes sometimes.

Race cars tend to have really large breaks (and brake pads) for this reason.

LIMEVINCEtoday at 6:58 AM

They actually might spark if the materials of the brakes weren't purposefully chosen to avoid a mini firework show when you suddenly brake.

Oof, the guy who went into the definition of sparks actually makes me realize this question branches off into so many different rabbitholes.

rawgabbittoday at 5:26 AM

I would answer that heat is a form of energy. A horse pulling a carriage a 1000 yards requires more energy than pulling 30 yards.

When a car slams on the brakes the distance is too short to generate enough heat to deform. I would also suspect the treads would partially melt and deform before it catches on fire.

anamaxtoday at 5:44 AM

Car brakes can get hot enough to start a fire (wood, paper, maybe even gasoline - see race cars) but a spark is a hot piece of material that is large enough so it can keep its heat for a while.

Brakes generate very fine dust that cools off almost immediately.

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Razengantoday at 5:44 AM

It's ironic that AI today may give curious kids answers quicker if not better than asking humans or searching the web did.

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ErroneousBoshtoday at 7:45 AM

Well, they do - you can get brakes red hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUnEeiZK7bY

And, if you let the pads wear down too far so they're metal on metal they absolutely will spark.

How cool are those rally cars though?

testbjjltoday at 6:13 AM

Brake pads?