alt Hacker News> I've breached the conditions, therefore you terminate the agreement, therefore you revoke access. Am I missing anything?
You're missing the part where I seek punitive and actual damages under the terms of the contract. No different than violating an NDA - I paid you a lump sum up front, after a while you breached the contract, the agreement is null and void, what's the consequence?
> Well, the idea of viral abstract ideas is stupid, so it forces me to give contrived examples.
On the contrary, presumably it was because you lacked the ability to roundly refute anything I had put forward. Otherwise I assume you would have done so.
> Therefore if you would rather walk away than gamble everything you own on the normal coin, the toss actually has a 100% chance of you losing?
But in this analogy it is you baselessly making that claim. There's every expectation that it's a fair coin, many experts have carefully inspected it and authored opinions on it, and some have put forward theories that it slightly deviates in one direction or another. Then you show up and confidently assert without any evidence that there's some wild deviation from fair, hand waving that you would have proof if only someone wanted to bother testing it.
Out of curiosity, what is it that has you so bothered about the idea of viral licenses? What do you find so objectionable about attaching arbitrary terms to contracts?
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You keep handwaving away any requests for something concrete to discuss. If it’s so easy to construct a viral license for access to science, just give an example of it.
> Out of curiosity, what is it that has you so bothered about the idea of viral licenses? What do you find so objectionable about attaching arbitrary terms to contracts?
The only example of them is open source that is routinely violated because it’s so weak in practice. LLMs reproduce it frequently with no attribution and nobody is successfully suing them over this.
>I seek punitive and actual damages under the terms of the contract.
Right, so you're agreeing with my original interpretation of "termination".
>You can terminate the agreement in the sense that you revoke access to the paper
The termination and the lawsuit for damages are separate events. Why did you accuse me of being purposefully dense if you're agreeing with me?
>But in this analogy it is you baselessly making that claim.
We're both making baseless claims. I said A, and then you said ¬A, and neither one has backed anything up. I don't even necessarily believe you talked to any lawyers, I just granted it for the sake of argument because the statement you made was so weak that I didn't need to cast doubt on it.
Also, in case you missed it, the fair coin in the analogy represents the case where the GPL might not be fully valid, not the other way around. If the coin is unfair then the GPL is fully and obviously valid, and if you get sued and you did infringe it then you're certain to lose.
>Out of curiosity, what is it that has you so bothered about the idea of viral licenses? What do you find so objectionable about attaching arbitrary terms to contracts?
Since I'm not the topic of discussion, I won't answer these questions beyond saying that I didn't opine on viral licenses.
Presumably they work for a FAANG and don't like the idea that the people would want to prevent looting the commons.