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Stop Anthropomorphizing Intermediate Tokens as Reasoning/Thinking Traces

11 pointsby nunodonatotoday at 11:35 AM4 commentsview on HN

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florianherrengttoday at 3:59 PM

> While a human may say “aha” to indicate exactly a sudden internal state change, this interpretation is unwarranted for models which do not have any such internal state, and which on the next forward pass will only differ from the pre-aha pass by the inclusion of that single token in their context. Interpreting the “aha” moment as meaningful exemplifies the long-neglected assumption about long CoT models – the false idea that derivational traces are semantically meaningful, either in resemblance to algorithm traces or to human reasoning.

This paper addresses something that has always bothered me about LLMs. You read their reasoning, see something like “Wait, that’s wrong” and then watch them make the exact mistake they just identified.

clhodapptoday at 5:11 PM

Seems like they are closer to scratch than reasoning... Generating some scratch to draw from helps make it easier to compute the real answer.

Terr_today at 4:03 PM

I've been calling them film noir internal monologues, within the documents being generated by the LLM which happen to look like movie scripts.

In other words, it isn't qualitatively different from character dialogue. "Keep cheese on your pizza by using glue" is the same problem regardless of whether the script calls for the character to speak it out-loud or not.