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Woman stranded in Spain after UK's eVisa system mistakes her for twin sister

152 pointsby giuliomagnificotoday at 9:45 AM112 commentsview on HN

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Freak_NLtoday at 11:38 AM

This is not a software issue (not directly).

Sure, the software has a bug. Software does. Almost always. What is broken here is that it is possible to get stuck in an airport with no possibility of escalating sensibly to a chain of human beings with agency to resolve it. You could have a software process which works 99.9% of the time, and have staff at hand which could solve any solvable remaining issues like this one. They call the Home Office internal hotline, explain the issue, resolve it by manually interfering on the spot (and have a bug filed), and everyone carries on.

Instead, we demand a 100% correct system, and save money on actually having people around who can deal with the edge cases and make sure everyone has a good time. Of course, getting a project from 99.9% to 100% costs a lot of money, because that includes literally all edge cases ever (getting to 100% is as likely as reaching ∞ by multiplying any given starting number by 2 until you reach it), and so it will likely end up being more expensive in budget overruns than the 99.9% plus humans system.

Obviously, politicians must choose for the fictional 100% case, because they can't afford the cheaper 99.9% plus human one.

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zabiltoday at 10:19 AM

I've had issues with this e-visa implementation and was told I could not board flights.

As a someone in tech, I feel this a classic case study of how NOT to roll out a release and develop a solution.

The release was chaotic, none of the airlines staff were trained on how to use this. So they still insisted on the expired cards and then picked on the expiry dates.

Next, almost everyone makes you generate a verification share code in front of them by logging into the e-visa website even if the rules say I can print it out and just use the code. It takes a few minute to get on the website and generate one.

This solution assumed that everyone has access to a smart phone and a good wifi connection to make this work.

Whoever built this didn't test it on the ground.

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poizan42today at 11:08 AM

> A Home Office spokesperson said: “Over 10 million people have already successfully used eVisas to prove their immigration status. ..."

So how many people did not successfully use it? Could be 100 million for all we know. Do they think just throwing out a large number without anything to compare it to is somehow proving something?

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sega_saitoday at 12:31 PM

Unfortunately there are more and more cases where "The computer says no" and then there is no human to talk to, and you are bounced back from one automated system to another...

I had recently a case where my title (Mr) ended up as my middle name in the system of the operating airline (it was perfectly correct in the system of the airline that I booked the ticket through). Two hours of talking to those two airlines did not help me. I had to buy another ticket...

I think this starts to remind me the movie Brazil...

chainiertoday at 10:49 AM

It'd be lovely if articles like this named the people responsible for actually building the systems. It's almost certainly never a government department.

They'll have paid one the many software/technology companies to build this thing. Who will be hiding their shoddy crap behind their client (the government department that paid for it). There are some patterns that I'm sure would start to arise from naming the consultancies that are churning out crap.

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rkuskatoday at 1:03 PM

My favorite part of the UK’s eVisa was taking a portrait photo of my 1.5y old.

I was losing my sanity over all the refusals (app refusing the photos).

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jonathanlydalltoday at 1:28 PM

The terrible part to me is them saying "the majority of cases are resolved within 24 hours", this should be like a 15-minute delay at most when you can present your passport with its number which also matches your biometrics (as would be the case with twins).

I myself recently had a 10-minute or so delay due to a visa issue. I was departing from Johannesburg and was going to use my Italian passport for entry into New Zealand. I had acquired an NZeTA visa about 15 months before but didn't think to consider until checking in that it was against my previous passport number which I had since renewed.

When the agent said they were just having to double check my visa (while my wife's and children' were fine), the fact the passport had been renewed occurred to me and I told the agent about it which probably saved a couple of minutes of them having to work out this was the issue. They phoned New Zealand, explained the situation and within about 10 minutes the New Zealand side updated their system and I was able to complete my check-in.

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Havoctoday at 10:58 AM

One of the reasons I’m applying for a British passport. Existing purely in some mystery database like that seems risky long term

feintruledtoday at 10:07 AM

I have identical twin boys - when signing up for a bank account app and while completing all the associated hoops for ID, the second to do it got the rather dystopian error message 'an account has already been registered with this face'

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Integertoday at 1:30 PM

This sounds like a confused support agent. The system lacks a notion of twins - it doesn't link accounts via biometrics. The names are similar but not equal and the passport numbers would also be different, so how would their accounts be linked? Perhaps they used the same email when registering by mistake?

xnxtoday at 2:08 PM

Not sure if related, but the Spanish security kiosks are shockingly bad they had great difficulty reading faces, fingerprints, and even passports when held perfectly flat on their reading glass.

MarceliusKtoday at 11:55 AM

"Known issue" and "you may not board the flight home" really shouldn't appear in the same system. If a database error can effectively invalidate your legal status at the border, there needs to be a fallback that doesn't involve spending hours on the phone

leephillipstoday at 2:28 PM

“Webb said Home Office staff promised her over the phone the problem would be fixed, though a confirmation email was then sent to her sister instead of to her.”

Comedy gold.

a022311today at 10:13 AM

The article doesn't give much more information than the title. Almost zero details.

crooked-vtoday at 10:20 AM

I suspect this case has origins less to do with the programming itself, and more to do with UK bureaucracy just not giving a shit, as with the post office scandal where authorities, including the legal system, blindly believing in the outsourced systems led to hundreds of false prosecutions and thirteen suicides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal).

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Razengantoday at 1:50 PM

How did we let something as basic as money and travel become so controlled?

Laws against persona; freedoms should be called out as unethical.

a012today at 12:20 PM

Cue The IT crowd: Made in UK. Ah, it makes sense

hnjbx769kdtoday at 10:18 AM

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gib444today at 10:33 AM

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sam_lowry_today at 10:48 AM

oups.

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varispeedtoday at 11:14 AM

She could have used a boat. Comes with a free hotel stay and no documents needed.

Jokes aside, when helping someone I know return to the UK, I wasn't sure if I have a stroke or someone who wrote the guidance had a lobotomy.

Clear as mud.

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vermootentoday at 2:37 PM

Edge case that needs fixing. Move on.