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malfisttoday at 8:37 PM8 repliesview on HN

Is solving a snake like puzzle game in the least number of moves really what defines intelligence?


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matherialtoday at 9:23 PM

It's pretty close to how we measure IQ. The standard test is basically a series of puzzles.

I know there's a lot of people who complain that we're moving goalposts, but I think that the progress in LLMs really just shows that we don't know how to really measure intelligence in the first place, if we understand it as "human-like agency / ingenuity / adaptability". For decades, we saw the Turing test as the proxy for AGI, but then early LLMs could easily pass for a human in a casual conversation while clearly not matching human performance on most other tasks.

Since then, every benchmark we come up with, it turns out that an LLM can be fine-tuned to solve it while still clearly lacking something. They make very non-human mistakes, are easily tricked because they have a pretty tenuous grasp of reality, etc. But I think this just shows that AGI is a meaningless marketing term. We could as well be arguing if they have souls.

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jawigginstoday at 8:49 PM

There's currently a big market for figuring out ways to measure intelligence. With a particular interest in ways that humans can score much higher than LLMs. If you have some ideas please do share!

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rcovesontoday at 8:58 PM

No, but figuring out that you're playing a snake-like puzzle game at all in an extremely general input domain and then solving it in the least number of moves definitely feels like evidence of intelligence.

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paimapitoday at 9:08 PM

I'm also unclear as to how basic inferential logic puzzles spells out intelligence

I think if you summed up measures of intelligence as 'can it do basic symbolic logic in a chain with memory' then yes, you've now achieved the intelligence of an e. coli colony [0], congratulations

[0] https://journals.aps.org/prx/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevX.10.03...

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jrflotoday at 9:08 PM

You should read more on the ARC prize, it actually has a pretty long history. We're on the 3rd iteration because they keep getting saturated. If you look at the score history over time on ARC AGI 1, 2 and 3 it's pretty impressive.

https://arcprize.org/

dist-epochtoday at 9:15 PM

1.5 years ago Gemini Pro 2.5 needed 1 page of thinking for every move in tic-tac-toe.

Playing tic-tac-toe or snake does not imply AGI, but is required to claim AGI.

GaggiXtoday at 8:38 PM

If you have never seen the game before probably.

nimchimpskytoday at 9:08 PM

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