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rco8786yesterday at 10:04 PM4 repliesview on HN

I don't know anything about this specific case but this exact thing will be a major barrier for autonomous vehicles to overcome. Instead of benchmarking AVs against the current, human-caused number of vehicular deaths - people will naturally benchmark AVs to 0 and treat every instance of death as a failure of AVs, even if the reality is that AVs end up 99% safer than human controlled vehicles.


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TNWinyesterday at 10:09 PM

As it should be. “Safer on average” is not a defense for failing something as basic as stopping at a stop sign. The bar for not running one and killing someone is not unreasonably high.

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kay_oyesterday at 10:29 PM

Imho part of isuse here is that you cannot "partial AV" it.

You cannot have a car that will EVER need you to intervene or else it does not work because of awful human nature. The amount of tesla uber drivers ive had literally browsing tiktok, watching youtube UNTIL the car beeps that it is a green light detected, then they immediately hit the accelerator before looking up is ridiculous. You cannot have a half ass "autopilot" driving experience where you are expected to zone out and then be expected to take control within a millisecond during uncertainty. It does not help that FSD, AP, aAP, bAP, the model, whether the car is visual only all apply differently

Terr_yesterday at 10:34 PM

Another huge problem is that error rate it not error shape. We have an enormous body of knowledge and process for guessing what might cause problems for human drivers, how to deter the problems, and how to mitigate the damage.

For example, you'll have a pretty good idea how our fellow humans will react to rumble-strips if I describe them or play a recording. I don't need to consult a datasheet or design an AI test suite with a zillion simulations and a bunch of closed-course tests.

EA-3167yesterday at 10:23 PM

What percentage of road accidents involve broken down old cars, drugs and alcohol, irresponsible and risky behavior?

Because most of us don’t have that problem, and insurance stats suggest we’re a hell of a lot safer drivers than a hypothetical aggregate including stolen car joyrides by teens and 50 year old teetotalers in a well maintained, modern car.