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joeblubaughtoday at 1:47 AM5 repliesview on HN

If JPEG XL doesn’t become useful on the web, is it really likely to become popular with camera manufacturers, professional image editing tools, etc?

What does it offer there that existing workflows can’t support? Do those advantages make up for the transcoding that every web publisher would need to do to make the outputs useful on the web?


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pwgtoday at 2:15 AM

> If JPEG XL doesn’t become useful on the web, is it really likely to become popular with camera manufacturers, professional image editing tools, etc?

I suspect that eventually, the browser makers that are reluctant to add JpegXL support will do so, even if reluctantly, and so it will eventually "become useful on the web".

The reason why is Adobe added JpegXL as a compression format for PDF's, and as every browser maker wants their browser to also be a "PDF viewer", this means they must include a JpegXL decoder to be able to support PDF's going forward. If they must have a JpegXL decoder anyway, it is not that difficult to also add it as another supported format for the <img> tag.

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Gigachadtoday at 4:41 AM

Most people using dedicated cameras shoot in RAW, then use a program to process and export the photos afterwards. So camera manufacturer buy-in isn't super important.

I've been exporting in JXL from Lightroom for a little while now, you get slightly smaller image sizes and HDR with no real downsides. On the web I imagine this will translate to higher quality images on social media since platforms can get more out of the same file size. It will also likely be the end of HEIF which is a pain to deal with due to patents.

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dannywtoday at 1:53 AM

I’ve been shooting with semipro to pro cameras for decades across brands, and I haven’t came across a single camera that supports shooting JPEG XL.

HEIF is what is getting support in recent models; but JPEG still rules supreme for its compatibility.

computerbustertoday at 1:59 AM

Web publishers should definitely be stripping metadata at least, and transcoding isn't much harder. For anyone who cares about bandwidth, transcoding to efficient formats is non-negotiable; if you don't, then why do anything? Just ship PNG, who cares?

I think one of the compelling use cases for camera manufacturers would be an interoperable format for editors. Since JXL has support for so many channels, you could load your image into an editor, edit it, add layers, etc., and export as JXL, which could be used for other things.

ErneXtoday at 6:35 AM

iPhones have been using it for its ProRAW format since 2024.

It has 3 options:

JPEG Lossless (most compatible)

JPEG-XL Losless

JPEG-XL Lossy