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pedrosuavetoday at 12:14 PM4 repliesview on HN

I see a lot of comments that we need more doctors to be able to pay doctors less. There are of course exceptions but I really don't think 300k a year is unreasonable when coming out with nearly 600k in debt in a field with such high burn out and liability risk.

Unlike salary position that 300k, at least in my field, is all via private equity and we are all independent contractors--meaning does not include any vacation, any paid time off, any sick days, any retirement or medical care or insurance of any kind.

I have not seen a raise since I started which was prior to covid. I'm not saying I need a raise I am well paid but again to be 500k in debt with zero benefits and I see on Reddit buckees managers or UPS /fed ex drivers making 150 to 200k with benefits and the ability to call out sick and the ability to not lose everything because of a single case where you follow standard practices or guidelines followed around the country but something bad still happens.

I go to work everyday with the understanding that the majority of my colleagues have been sued and even if not career ending the stress is enormous. At work I wear a tracker so that every fart and cough and patent interaction can be tracked. A VIP club of patients that donates to the hospital can ruin me with some bad reviews. A stray comment about poor care by an ems crew can end my career (as they bring the hospitals patients).

I don't believe doctors are overpaid and we need more to bring their pay down. A patient will get billed 2000 dollars if they ask for a burrito out front in triage, walk in, are told by me that Taco Bell is across the street, and they promptly walk out without a single test done.

On the other hand I may see sixty people in a busy night which require procedures such as being intubated and put on a ventilator, fractures being reduced , etc.

A major problem is private equity in medicine. Everyone should be focused on removing these groups which skim money off everyone both doctors and patients included. Even if the argument that somehow their efficiency increases result in extra money to the system they can feed on there is no reason why hospitals can't group up and also be efficient and cut them out and pass down savings to the customer or not overwork us docs or treat us like expendable McDonald's employees. The lack of working directly for the hospital there is no metric for skill or seniority or anything like that you are an expendible piece of meat/fall guy that they load down with as many mid level providers as they can get away with


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JKCalhountoday at 12:17 PM

I wonder if "Dcotor" ought not be a short career—one where you transition out after, say, two decades. Perhaps they establish a role of mentor within hospitals where "aged-out" doctors can be a part of new surgeons surgeries.

I know, never gonna happen.

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jghntoday at 12:33 PM

> we need more doctors to be able to pay doctors less

I don't think this is really the point being raised. We need to relax the artificial constraints on the number of doctors. This would lead to more doctors. There's likely to be a side effect which is that doctors get paid less.

While the net effect is doctors getting paid less, it's not the reason.

david-gputoday at 12:38 PM

The article is written by an Australian doctor, living in Australia, speaking about the death of a doctor who committed suicide in Brisbane.

Their work and living conditions are probably quite different from those of American doctors.

potatototoo99today at 12:19 PM

Everyone gets paid what they can demand and everyone pays as little as they can get away with, it's nothing specific to doctors or private equity.