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rich_sasha • today at 10:29 AM • 5 replies • view on HN

The maths of the flying is a little puzzling to me.

Back of the fag pack, let’s say it is light for an electric car and weights 1000kg. I’ll also go on a limb and guess the air flow is actually subsonic - 200m/s would make it 0.6 Ma (still insanely fast!). Even then, that requires 50 kg of air every second. Or 40 m^3. Using everyone’s favorite metric, this empties an Olympic swimming pool in 1 minute. It also requires a MW of power. I mean… that’s a lot??? Though admittedly, only about as much as accelerating 0-60 in 1 sec (50% of that in fact). So the flying would draw as much power as accelerating at full throttle.

Power requirements would go down a lot with slower exhaust speed, but then you need to shift more fluid. 40 m^3 already seems like a lot to me.

I get it’s a neat little demo and they have to get SpaceX into the picture somehow, but still I don’t understand how it’s supposed to add up. Also, what do I know - just a humble physicist.


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vessenes • today at 12:58 PM

In the video they claim the air is supersonic at exit, and point out the mach diamonds -- and I think they said 60 kilonewtons of thrust max, which is really a lot. So I think the volume of air would decrease roughly 60% from your estimate? I'm not a physicist.

I'm imagining this in two phases: phase one - you drive around, and excess energy goes to compressing air. Phase two - you use that compressed air which takes very little additional power, so you get to double up on force. I guess likely a 'running mode' where it's using some power to keep suction on.

I'm curious how much time you get at full blast vs 'just' enough to keep the car pinned to a wall, e.g. 1 vs 2 g.

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Betelbuddy • today at 7:50 PM

You have the answer in your calculations, you just need to take to its logical conclusion. I say its was balsa not cartoon...

nialv7 • today at 5:17 PM

It _does_ go supersonic, otherwise the converging-diverging nozzle doesn't make sense.

RetardedBastard • today at 10:00 PM

Back of the what ? Shame on you

preommr • today at 12:12 PM

> Back of the fag pack,

napkins, and envelopes at least kind of make sense.

Who was ever writing on the back of cigarette packs?

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