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kec • today at 4:35 PM • 2 replies • view on HN

DHS was founded in 2003, as was ICE. The country got along for 227 years without these organizations, they aren't some bedrock thing from time immemorial.

Recognizing that the current structure and mode of operation of these organizations is problematic and leading to bad outcomes also doesn't mean flipping to fully open borders with zero law enforcement as some imply every time this is brought up.


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10111001 • today at 7:14 PM

> DHS was founded in 2003, as was ICE. The country got along for 227 years without these organizations, they aren't some bedrock thing from time immemorial.

The creation DHS was a reorganization of existing government functions. ICE existed before 2003: one bit was part of INS and another bit was part of the Customs Service.

Patrolling the border and immigration law enforcement have been going on since before any of us were born.

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mcmcmc • today at 4:42 PM

> DHS was founded in 2003, as was ICE. The country got along for 227 years without these organizations

Almost like something happened shortly before then that caused a seismic shift in our national security posture…

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