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brightball • today at 3:11 PM • 12 replies • view on HN

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but wasn’t this in response to a massive organized anti-ICE operation?

Headline makes it seem like ICE just did this in a vacuum.


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Someone1234 • today at 3:19 PM

But why is ICE, specifically, investigating that? The Federal government has multiple criminal divisions - why are ICE now a US Citizen criminal investigatory branch too? Seems far outside of their remit.

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Bluescreenbuddy • today at 9:30 PM

You mean protesting? The thing the Constitution protects? You’ve been corrected.

serioussecurity • today at 3:51 PM

(1) protest is protected by the first amendment (2) American law enforcement isn't supposed to have access to this kind of information about citizens absent a warrant

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jvanderbot • today at 3:24 PM

Yes - the question has always been whether that is a good reason for a new, big federal organization to expand its surveillance capabilities, budget, and prosecution powers.

As a MN'n, I have my own opinions about the escalatory tactics of protestors (the marches were awesome, but many of the follow/callout patrols seemed designed to get people killed), and the predictable response of ICE. All while I strongly oppose gov surveillance and tracking like this.

altcognito • today at 3:13 PM

Regardless of the current administration there is no world where the government has shown restraint in surveillance creep.

mrbombastic • today at 3:14 PM

People protesting in the United States?!?!? Unthinkable

pixelatedindex • today at 4:29 PM

> a massive organized anti-ICE operation?

What operation? Did they go around hacking into servers and invade their privacy?

> Headline makes it seem like ICE just did this in a vacuum.

Would they not do it in a vacuum? There’s been a a vagrant disregard for laws on their side. Why are they getting the benefit of the doubt here? It’s very clear they have been targeting certain demographics and political leaning from its institution.

specked-citrus • today at 3:30 PM

This makes it better why?

Starman_Jones • today at 3:24 PM

I have no idea, but why would that change anything?

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boston_clone • today at 3:29 PM

The framing applied here in this comment is very odd. People are allowed to organize and assemble.

One might even go a step further and say people are obligated to do so when the government repeatedly abuses its power to intimidate and violently affect the lives of people without due process or cause.

close04 • today at 3:30 PM

> Headline makes it seem like ICE just did this in a vacuum.

The headline makes it look like they run "One of the Largest Anti-Left Surveillance Ops in US History". The only way the trigger matters is if the response to that trigger is justified. These justifications, once you consider them valid, just start a vicious cycle. Most of the people are being put under surveillance by this "massive anti US citizen campaign" with no reasonable suspicion, no judicial supervision, by an agency which should have no business doing any of this. Just another flavor of authoritarianism. Is it justified for them to escalate? If not then your argument is bunk. The title says what it really is and justifying the extremist actions of one side only betrays a bias.

znpy • today at 3:11 PM

They never tell the full story…

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