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switchbak • today at 4:17 PM • 8 replies • view on HN

Do you have proof of the etymology of Meat Space? I mean other than some AI generated slop?

My understanding is that’s a new term, unrelated to the context you’re describing.


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allturtles • today at 4:29 PM

It's been used on UseNet since at least the early 1990s [0].

I think it comes from a Perry Barlow-esque feeling that Cyberspace is an improvement on the "merely" meat real world (perhaps even a proxy heaven on earth, cf. Platonism). Sometimes it is tongue-in-cheek, other times earnest (I assume for people who have found the real world (and their real bodies) a disappointment.)

[0]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/what-is-meatspace.

knome • today at 4:32 PM

It's an old term. Here's a reference from the New York Times in 2000.

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/...

Your parent comments needless disdain aside, it was just a silly term used to refer to offline.

blooalien • today at 4:47 PM

I've known the phrase "meatspace" for decades now as an "opposite" of "cyberspace" from some of the CyberPunk Sci-Fi of my childhood, though I cannot at this moment name any specific novels it might originate from. It's not a terribly new term, although it may have only recently gained common enough usage as to seem new to those who hadn't heard it before.

BoxOfRain • today at 4:25 PM

This sounded off so I looked into it, apparently 'meatspace' has been around since the early '90s as a derivative of 'cyberspace'.

flir • today at 4:54 PM

That one's ancient, for what it's worth. I'd be amazed if it wasn't coined by one of the first gen cyberpunk authors.

(Although I'm starting to have my doubts. Furthest I can get back is 1993 (usenet post). I'm curious to know if anyone can get further back).

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devmor • today at 4:27 PM

https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/what-is-meatspace

It's been a term used on the internet for as long as I've been online.

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jknoepfler • today at 5:32 PM

I've been using the term meatspace since at least the 90s, and would be semi-shocked if it didn't exist in either 80s sci-fi or posthumanist manifestos or whatever in some form or another.

Here are some concrete examples courtesy of an etymology site: https://wordspy.com/words/meatspace/

The use of "meat" to characterize the physical, analog, arbitrary, biological (as opposed to the logical, digital, formal) pre-dates the 80s/90s deliberate apposition with "cyberspace" afaik, but I don't have time to fish up concrete examples from my library atm.

georgemcbay • today at 5:15 PM

Others have already provided links as proof, but anecdotally I've heard "meatspace" since at least the 1990s (I have been online since the 1980s).

"Meat proxy" OTOH is a newer term for people who when you communicate with them online just run everything through LLMs and respond with voluminous and mostly unedited slop. Hadn't heard that one until about a year ago.

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