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A CT scanner reveals surprises inside the 386 processor's ceramic package

309 pointsby robin_realalast Saturday at 5:17 PM106 commentsview on HN

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mlhpdxlast Saturday at 8:18 PM

A bit of a trip down memory lane for me. I performed an analysis of the thermo-mechanical cyclic fatigue in later packages using detailed CAD, FEA and empirical tests. A lot of work went into finding it wasn’t a big deal for the most part. Still, I don’t recommend that museums power cycle old PCs daily…

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raszlast Sunday at 12:55 AM

>386 has eight pins labeled "NC" (No Connect)

and Cyrix 486DLC hijacks 7 of those :)

A20M# (F13) - when supported by motherboard you can L1 cache whole ram instead of leaving first 64KB uncached

FLUSH# (E13) - when supported by motherboard you dont have to use hacks and flush L1 on every DMA access. Hacks (BARB mode) seemed clever at the time until everyone had a Sound Blaster DMAing audio constantly invalidating cache while gaming.

RPLSET (C6) RPLVAl (C7)- L1 cache status debug outputs

SUSP# (A4) SUSPA# (B4)- suspend support, wakes on INT and NMI. Good for laptops.

>The surprising thing is that one of the No Connect pads does have the bond wire in place

Somehow Cyrix picked this particular pin (B12) for KEN# input (enable L1 cache) :O

>From the circuitry on the die, this pin appears to be an output

Meaning the _one_ NC pin Intel CPU actually wires, an output no less, Cyrix demands driven low to enable cache.

kenslast Saturday at 5:24 PM

Author here for all your CT scanning questions :-)

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mike50last Sunday at 3:02 PM

I'm just glad someone is putting hybrid packaging information in the public domain. The generalized background information is really helpful for engineers new to this very small area. This wiring is not as complex as the old military hybrids for sure. It may be six layers but there is only one monolithic.

Mountain_Skieslast Saturday at 6:06 PM

> From the circuitry on the die, this pin appears to be an output. If someone with a 386 chip hooks this pin to an oscilloscope, maybe they will see something interesting.

Would be a fun surprise if the 386 had its own Halt and Catch Fire mode.

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lisbbblast Saturday at 11:19 PM

Went to a computer fair circa, gosh, 1989? My Dad bought me a 386 DX 25MHz with like 4MB of RAM and a whopping 40MB hard drive. This was a remarkable upgrade from the Tandy 286 16MHz that I was using. The 386 we got was not the standard 20MHz or 33MHz, 25MHz was some kind of hype thing, as I recall. The 33MHz was the bomb, but of course that cost more bones $$$$. The computer fairs were cool.

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m104last Sunday at 4:09 PM

The anecdote about the 16-pin religion and the reluctance to use more pins is so good. It's often assumed that (later) successful companies were always making fantastic decisions in the earlier days, when in reality there were a few bizarre and harmful assumptions that were holding it back and needed to be forced out in order for rationality to prevail.

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themafialast Saturday at 11:38 PM

That lower level "Signals" CT image (layer 2) would have been an amazing background for the "Intel Inside" logo stickers. It has the proper era aesthetic and everything.

Anyways.. this is what I really like about kens work.. the accidental discovery of beautiful structures while trying to answer abstract questions. Thanks for doing all this!

mrlonglonglast Saturday at 6:56 PM

Where's A0 and A1?

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devmorlast Saturday at 8:38 PM

Super cool! This was the CPU in my very first PC (which I got to build myself, under the tutelage of a family friend). I remember that it was cooled by nothing but a tiny stick-on heatsink and a small plastic fan that clipped on top of that.

8MB of DRAM, a 250MB spinning disk hard drive, 5.25 and 3.5 inch floppy bays, removable bios that I had to sort through a tupperware of chips to find the correct unit, some unnamed AGP video card that I had to slot removable chips into as well and a great big 16" CRT.

I think I had to install a special serial card in an ISA slot to use a mouse too.

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nickdothuttonlast Sunday at 6:00 PM

These old ceramic packages are to my mind peak aesthetic for chips.

chiphlast Monday at 12:00 AM

kens - Presumably they chose the pin assignments to make it easier to arrange traces on the motherboard side. Or did they?

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hoerzulast Sunday at 6:05 AM

Fun fact my friend remixed MRI sounds into a track: https://youtu.be/3NbbWPSOwvE

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xpelast Sunday at 2:47 AM

> In later Intel processors, the number of connections exponentially increased.

Pedantic note: I think "quadratically" makes more sense here: we're talking about two dimensions.

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_xerces_last Sunday at 3:27 PM

How do they attach those bond wires? Seems difficult and fiddly!

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gregsadetskylast Saturday at 8:07 PM

Hey @kens, congrats on the page! Extremely super small usability note/suggestion: if you changed your inputs (above the tool that lets you see all of the layers) to something like this:

    <input name="layer" type="radio" onclick="show('https://static.righto.com/images/386-package/layer0.jpg')" id="layer1">
    <label for="layer1">Pins</label>
then it would be possible to click the label name (i.e. Pins, I/O Vcc, etc.) instead of having to click the small radio circles.

It's a small thing, but I think it's a lot more fun/easy/fast to click the different label names rather than the circles. It's truly a small nit - just in case it's an easy fix for you. Cheers!

(just to make sure: you need to add a unique "id" attribute for each "input", and then make a <label> tag for each label referencing that id in the "for")

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