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cm2187yesterday at 8:31 PM7 repliesview on HN

And the manufacturers are in a quest to remove as many keys as they can from the keyboard. Like you can hardly find any light laptop today with page up/down keys anymore. Why?.... Haven't these guys heard of keyboard shortcuts?


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arccyyesterday at 8:35 PM

don't you like doing finger contortions to use all the modifier keys?

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devilbunnytoday at 2:05 AM

It’s been a while since I shopped for one, but a Thinkpad X1 Carbon gen 13 starts at about 1 kg and has a pretty full keyboard.

ack_completeyesterday at 9:27 PM

Worse than that, there's no consistency in Fn+key shortcuts. Recently acquired an HP Ergonomic Keyboard as a replacement for a broken Sculpt, only to find out that it literally cannot send Ctrl+Break -- there's no key for it, no Fn+key shortcut for it and the remapping software doesn't simulate it properly.

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userbinatoryesterday at 8:55 PM

I suspect it's gradual cost-cutting. At the manufacturing scales they're operating with, even one keyswitch adds up.

crazygringotoday at 12:19 AM

I dunno, I actually prefer Fn+Up/Dn. I just find it more logical, and it feels standard to me now. I press them surely hundreds of times a day and have no problem with it.

VerifiedReportsyesterday at 10:08 PM

Nothing tops Apple's infantile refusal to put a (real) Delete key on their laptops. Instead, they have a Backspace key mislabeled "delete."

When the Eject key became obsolete, Apple had a perfect opportunity to fix this omission with essentially no effort. NOPE. Meanwhile, everybody else managed to have a proper Delete key on their laptops.

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markus_zhangyesterday at 8:43 PM

Oh yeah, they sometimes put page up and down on up and down which infuriates me very much. There are other issues like less USB ports, but overall quality is poor comparing to MacBooks.