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mbestotoday at 4:40 PM6 repliesview on HN

It's wild how overpriced Tesla Powerwalls are.

16 kWh battery with all of the UL supported listings etc = $3300 [0]

13.5 kWh Tesla Powerwall is $12k~$15k

You would get your return way back quicker.

[0] - https://www.ruixubattery.com/product-page/lithi2-16-battery-...

EDIT: As others have pointed out, powerwalls have inverters built in so it's not totally apples to apples. You can get a beefy inverter for $5k and it's still cheaper and you wouldn't need an additional inverter every time you add a battery.


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jillesvangurptoday at 5:50 PM

There's going to be a bloodbath in that market in the next years. There are a lot of battery producers and most of them are not producing at full capacity. At the same time, manufacturing cost is dropping as well.

Some battery makers are producing batteries at a cost level of around 60$ per kwh. At that cost, the 16kwh battery would come out below 1000$ (not the same obviously as the product price). Sodium ion might push those prices even lower. Below 50$ soonish and eventually closer to the 10-20$ range in maybe 5-10 years. At that point we're talking a few hundred dollars for a decent size domestic battery. You still need packaging, inverters, etc. of course.

But the ROI at anything close to those price levels is going to be pretty rapid. And it wouldn't break the bank for households across the world. Add a few kw of solar on roofs, balconies, etc. It won't solve everyone's problems and certainly not in every season. But it can help reduce energy bills in a meaningful enough way. Even in winter.

Also worth pointing out: most of the US is south of Cornwall. The Canadian border runs roughly at 49 degrees latitude. Cornwall is the most southern point in the UK sits at 50 degrees. If it can work there, most of the US has no excuse. Also, the UK isn't exactly well known for their clear blue skies. Even people in Scotland much further north manage to get positive ROIs out of their solar setups.

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ortusduxtoday at 5:11 PM

IIRC, the original idea was that they would pull older batteries from circulation when their capacities dipped, and then repurpose them as powerwalls, an application where weight is irrelevant.

This was back when they expected the batteries to plateau at ~80% capacity after a few years, and they had battery swapping on the roadmap, so they needed to plan for a future where they had a steady supply of batteries that car customers did not want.

The idea took hold, but the batteries lasted longer and swapping didn't pan out, so now they are competing with themselves for battery supply.

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toomuchtodotoday at 4:41 PM

They have a 30% gross margin, they're just soaking up the federal US tax credit (which is also 30% for battery storage and extends through 2032).

Alternatives: https://electrek.co/2025/12/28/opinion-its-time-to-start-rec...

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dns_snektoday at 5:03 PM

You're comparing the cost of a battery with a full system. That 16 kWh battery requires a ~$3000 inverter to go along with it.

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O5vYtytbtoday at 5:12 PM

That's not really apples-to-apples comparison. The Tesla batteries are AC coupled so they work with an (AC coupled) microinverter array. For a DC coupled battery you have to have a hybrid inverter and DC couple the batteries.

Your point that they are overpriced still stands though.

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HexPhantomtoday at 5:43 PM

I think "overpriced" depends a lot on what problem you're trying to solve

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