alt Hacker NewsPretext: TypeScript library for multiline text measurement and layout
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Love this. I especially liked shape based reflow example.
This is something I've been thinking for ages and would love to add to Ensō (enso.sonnet.io), purely because it would allow me to apply better caret transitions between the lines of text.
(I'm not gonna do that because I'm trying to keep it simple, but it's a strong temptation)
Now a CSS tangent: regarding the accordion example from the site (https://chenglou.me/pretext/accordion), this can be solved with pure CSS (and then perhaps a JS fallback) using the `interpolate-size` property.
https://www.joshwcomeau.com/snippets/html/interpolate-size/
Regarding the text bubbles problem (https://chenglou.me/pretext/bubbles), you can use `text-wrap: balance | pretty` to achieve the same result.
(`balance` IIRC evens out the # of lines)
Quick overview of pretext: if you want to layout text on the web, you have to use canvas.measureText API and implement line-breaking / segmentation / RTL yourself.
Pretext makes this easier. Just pass the text and text properties (font, color, size, etc) into a pure JS API and it layouts the content into given viewport dimension.
Earlier you'll have to either use measureText or ship harbuzz to browser somehow. I guess pretext is not a technical breakthrough, just the right things assembled to make layouting as a pure JS API.
I have one question though: how is this different from Skia-wasm / Canvaskit? Skia already has sophisticated API to layout multiline text and it also is a pure algorithmic API.
Gosh, I wish this had existed a year ago; I spent an absurd amount of time creating a system for print brochure typesetting in HTML, that would iteratively try to find viable break points (keeping in mind that bullets etc. could exist at any time) that would ensure non-orphaned new lines, etc., all by using the Selection API and repeatedly finding bounding boxes of prospective renders.
It works, and still runs quite successfully in production, but there are still off-by-one hacks where I have no idea why they work. The iterative line generation feature here is huge.
By the author of the library
> This was achieved through showing Claude Code and Codex the browsers ground truth, and have them measure & iterate against those at every significant container width, running over weeks
https://x.com/_chenglou/status/2037715226838343871?s=20
There was another comment about using Autoresearch probably for this but I might be misremembering
I said it elsewhere but will repeat it here:
This is incredibly impressive, many of this things have been missing for forever! I remember the first time I couldn't figure out how do a proper responsive accordion, it was with bootstrap 1, released in 2011 !! Today it's still not properly solved (until now?).
Many of thing things belong in css no in js, but this has been the pattern with so many things in the web
1) web needs evolve into more complex needs 2) hacky js/css implementation and workarounds 3) gets implemented as css standard
This is a not so hacky step 2. Really impressive,
I would have thunk that if this was actually possible someone would have done it already, apparently not, at some point I really want to understand what's the real insight in the library, their https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/main/RESEARCH.md is interesting, they seem to have just done the hard work, of browser discrepancies to the last detail of what does an emoji measure in each browser, hope this is not a maintenance nightmare.
All in all this will push the web forward no doubt.
This should be standard functionality offered by browsers. How do you make feature requests to W3C, and do they allow the community to vote on feature ideas?
The most practical use case is the text bubble wrapping one. That’s always frustrating when you want to wrap text inside any box with a border or background color (like a button or a “badge” component).
The FontMetrics API solves this, hopefully browsers will ship it someday.
https://drafts.css-houdini.org/font-metrics-api-1/
RIP eae@.
Has someone ever found a good solution for long / infinite lists / grids virtualization not breaking browsers native text search?
Maybe for this we need a new web "Search" API instead of JS. Not sure it can be done otherwise without browser's help.
Hm, the demos all render wrong on my system (Fedora, Firefox). The torus for example is completely distorted.
Edit: example: https://files.catbox.moe/4w3um0.png
Yeah, that's definitely needed.
That's why I've added Graphics.Text (https://docs.sciter.com/docs/Graphics/Text) in Sciter.
Graphics.Text is basically a detached <p> element that can be rendered on canvas with all CSS bells and whistles.
This is awesome! I had this problem when building a datagrid where cells would dynamically render textarea. IIRC I ended up doing a simple canvas measurement, but I had all the text and font properties static, and even then it was hellish to get it right.
I've had to approximate text size without rendering it a few times and it's always been awkward, I'm glad there's something to reach for now (just hoping I remember that this exists next time I need it)
Some details on how it works from a code comment:
Problem: DOM-based text measurement (getBoundingClientRect, offsetHeight) forces synchronous layout reflow. When components independently measure text, each measurement triggers a reflow of the entire document. This creates read/write interleaving that can cost 30ms+ per frame for 500 text blocks.
Solution: two-phase measurement centered around canvas measureText.
prepare(text, font) — segments text via Intl.Segmenter, measures each word via canvas, caches widths, and does one cached DOM calibration read per font when emoji correction is needed. Call once when text first appears.
layout(prepared, maxWidth, lineHeight) — walks cached word widths with pure arithmetic to count lines and compute height. Call on every resize. ~0.0002ms per text.
only took 30+ years to get (back) to this point.
wasted generation.
Regardless of the subject matter, the tweets announcing this are a masterclass in demoing why an architectural/platform improvement can be impactful.
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This thing is very impressive.
The problem it solves is efficiently calculating the height of some wrapped text on a web page, without actually rendering that text to the page first (very expensive).
It does that by pre-calculating the width/height of individual segments - think words - and caching those. Then it implements the full algorithm for how browsers construct text strings by line-wrapping those segments using custom code.
This is absurdly hard because of the many different types of wrapping and characters (hyphenation, emoji, Chinese, etc) that need to be taken into account - plus the fact that different browsers (in particular Safari) have slight differences in their rendering algorithms.
It tests the resulting library against real browsers using a wide variety of long text documents, see https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/tree/main/corpora and https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/main/pages/accuracy...