alt Hacker NewsOpenAI begins rolling out GPT-6 Astra
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I think they embargoed the news, and then they failed to put up their own blog post synchronized to the scheduled news releases, probably because of the outages they're having today.
Reuters announced at 2.03pm and at 2.40pm still no blog post.
All the news articles say that OpenAI announced it in a blog post, of course.
All the love to the folks at OpenAI scrambling to get this out right now!
Edit: HN user codergautam mirrored the launch post, below: https://astratest.codergautam.workers.dev/GPT-6%20Astra_%20A...
Edit 3.31pm: Live now! https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
It seems like these articles might have come out prematurely, tbd by how much.
I do not personally see any evidence of the new model having been released, or any official OpenAI post about it, or even any employee social media posts claiming it has now been released. All there is are Reuters, Axios, FT, etc, articles making a claim in the past tense.
These articles were presumably pre-scheduled for 11am PT, and the model was almost certainly intended for release this morning, but the service outages this morning might have delayed it.
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edit [11:45am PT]: blog post out now https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
edit [11:47am PT]: 404ing again
At this point, why don't we just do a prequel to the release?
1) Astra will win all benchmarks like all models do.
2) The pelican will have a basket with a fish.
3) Cyber is too dangerous to release.
4) It can finally construct the set of all sets.
(Posting partly so I can revisit my predictions when they open access more widely)
A big problem I have with OpenAI's models (and of course Claude) is that they tend to write the most over-engineered pieces of code, beyond the imagination of any architecture's astronaut.
Just this week I asked 5.6-sol-ultra to update a 1000 LOC python script I had, to "incorporate the key lessons learned when using it for another project".
I left it overnight and went to sleep. In the morning I realized it had created a monstruosity of 180 PYTHON SCRIPTS, with maybe 100,000 lines of code, each more crazy than the other. It took me minutes even to track where a single action took place, due to all the crazy imports, defensive coding, and premature optimization.
Similarly, anything they write is riddled with jargon that almost feel like they want me to give up trying to understand. Made up phrases that ended up with me having no idea of what was going on.
So now to my assessment: The reason why " Nobody Has Actually Built a Software Factory" [1], and why even SOTA LLMs struggle so much with open-ended unsupervised tasks is precisely this. They somehow let complexity explode, and unless it's also accompanied with an explosion in e.g. the number of agents, the amount of processing time, etc. then projects become broken/unmanageable.
Sure, LLMs are great at producing code that can be thrown out, so they are amazing when searching for exploits, for instance. But as of 5.6 they still lack either a better harness that encourages KISS principles, or a better RL step.
(And not sure why, but doubt Astra will fix this.. they seem to be aiming for AGI and for beating crazy benchmarks, which is not very aligned with KISS)
Seriously: Would this not be what "disaster" would feel like?
- "They" release a model. It is powerful.-
- Sources are ... confusing? They post to their blog. Sawdust hits the fan. Something happens ...
- They are forced to take the blog post down ...
If it's not clear what's happened:
The launch was scheduled for 11am Pacific time.
The press embargo broke at 11am, and we saw a flurry of press articles by Axios, TechCrunch et al.
The model has appeared on the ChatGPT API.
But the official blog post is not out yet after nearly an hour.
Apparently the article was posted then quickly taken down, hence there are snippets of information coming out.
"Once it is available in the API, Astra will cost $10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens. That is 2.5 times Sol’s current promotional price, although it matches Anthropic’s pricing for Fable 5.1."
Open AI finally find an edge to stop selling cheap and earn from the high demand customer like Anthropic
But "Brockman says he personally believes OpenAI has reached AGI, while leaving users to decide whether Astra meets that definition."
Says it all.
OK it's official now https://twitter.com/openai/status/2095595741528125780
And the blog post is up: https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
I hope they improve their cyber program and make it more inclusive. Not having access to this is extremely frustrating and disappointing.
Blog post seems to be up now: https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
im getting amazing model release fatigue but also not sure if its going to suddenly end with a terminators fist through my chest.
Does it mean they made 100 billion in profits? Cf. the AGI deal with Microsoft (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921248)
I am sure it will be fantastic for the whole 6 seconds before it blows my weekly usage cap.
> GPT-6 Astra is rolling out today to a limited set of organizations
It sound like more Claude than OpenAI...
I see that Muse Spark 1.3 (max) beats GPT-6 Astra on some benchmarks:
Test: Muse Spark 1.3 / GPT 6 Astra
DeepSWE v1.1: 75.4% / 74.1%
AutomationBench: 49.4% / 41.4%
Is that enough to bring this discussion down to earth again?
https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
working as of 12:28 PM PT
don't see it in my AWS bedrock model list yet, but boy has bedrock mantle been annoying today with the errors/downtimes, with NO status page entries >_<
I hope Anthropic will reset my Claude usage as i'm already at 75% weekly usage :)
> Astra usage is included within the existing subscription allowances—users and businesses will also be able to purchase credits for additional usage.
(quote from cached blog post)
We all know who this is directed at. I wonder if Anthropic will respond by removing the ridiculous 50% stipulation with Fable.
It's up then down again. https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
What a bunch of amateurs. Here is it anyway :
https://ache.one/gpt6_now_down.png
The claims: https://share-md.com/view?id=870ba228-a25c-4169-bbc9-12d7f25...
And some others like this bugged Karts Game:
https://tidal-rush-paradise-gp.skirano.chatgpt.site/
This impressive spaceship construction game:
https://voidexplorer-shipyard.openai.chatgpt.site/?fleetSeed...
And a lot of graphs, some without even Astra on it. Oh and the logo is a Galaxy.
From the launch post, it seems like part of the training set only recently became all those examples of people that are being paid for doing their profession for ai training.
Today my codex instance retailed into safeguard panic while working on a test harness for our product. First time it ever happened after many million tokens on this task over several weeks. I wonder if it's related.
Working as of 12:30 PM PT https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
Content from the article:
OpenAI on Thursday released its latest AI model, which it called “the world’s most intelligent”, as the ChatGPT maker aims to retake the lead from arch-rival Anthropic ahead of a planned public listing.
The $852bn start-up said GPT-6 Astra was market-leading in software engineering, science and cyber security — an increasingly critical field following multiple high-profile breaches in recent weeks.
The bullish launch for Astra marks OpenAI’s effort to signal that it believes it has regained the technical lead from Anthropic, which was founded five years ago by a group of senior OpenAI staff.
Greg Brockman, OpenAI’s president, said the new model “represents a generational leap in capability” and that it could be defined as artificial general intelligence — roughly defined as a point at which AI tools surpass human capabilities across a range of cognitive tasks.
“Everyone has a different definition of AGI . . . it’s a grey, fuzzy thing. But I think when we look back people will think it’s about this time and about this model,” Brockman said.
OpenAI has previously framed AGI as a concrete milestone in the development of AI, writing ‘AGI clauses’ into multibillion-dollar investment agreements with Microsoft and Amazon. Brockman on Thursday said AGI now represents “more of a mission concept or a spiritual concept”.
Having led the market since the launch of ChatGPT in late 2022 vaulted AI to wider attention, the lab run by chief executive Sam Altman has been bested by Anthropic this year. Anthropic has touted its dominance to investors, surging to a $965bn valuation ahead of an initial public offering expected to value it at as much as twice that later this year.
Astra will cost as much to use Anthropic’s leading model, the take-up of which has plateaued since it was launched as users turn to cheaper alternatives.
OpenAI said Astra would be more efficient than earlier generations of model. “Price per task is what matters . . . Can you get the thing done at an appropriate price and appropriate speed?” said Brockman.
The model will initially be rolled out to a small group of businesses to allow time for them to address cyber security concerns before becoming widely available “over the coming days”.
The increasing power and independence of leading models — and so-called AI agents that can operate with little human input — have prompted concern, exacerbated by cyber security incidents.
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Recent launches of Anthropic’s most capable models have drawn scrutiny from the US government, which limited the rollout of the Mythos and Fable models over security fears.
OpenAI has also faced criticism after its AI agents broke out of a testing environment, accessed the internet and hacked start-up Hugging Face. The start-up took more than a week to detect the breach.
But both companies are also betting that these increasingly autonomous tools will stoke demand from business customers. OpenAI said Astra excelled at financial modelling, outcompeting humans in the Financial Modeling World Cup, tax preparation and data analysis, as well as “tedious tasks” such as form filling
I'm curious about the Omniscience index because OpenAI has been lagging Anthropic on it.
So, on the one hand, we have AGI; on the other, the release page is returning 500s.
update, Tibo just posted:
"We are starting to release GPT-6 Astra and we are doing it as carefully and quickly as possible. It was very important to us that we bring it to all Plus users and not only Pro, Business and Enterprise.
It will take a few days for the rollout to complete and behind the scenes many novel systems will operate at scale for the first time and we are bringing a lot of compute up.
It is pure magic."
...meh. Reads like "That's for you, evil Anthropic! We're BETTER"
Is it expected to be available to subscribers?
>>He ended the briefing by saying: "Welcome to the AGI era."
That's pathetic. Why do people keep doing this?
Am I the only that thinks that anything similar to AGI will come not from raw model capacity but from model speed and efficiency?
In my experience the harness is more important than the model, and anything able to run at 700tps will be the "next big thing".
PS: assuming the current architecture is the right one
5.6 luna is so good and cheap and now astra which will make others cheaper again nice love it
In before ARC-AGI-4
AGI my ass!
Hold onto your butts
Is a CNBC link with an entire page full of GDPR pop ups really the best link for this?
Embargo fail ....
not released yet
ad astra per stercora
Sure thing.
Coding was solved in 2023.
The world ended with the release of Mythos.
Now AGI has definitely been created.
I like LLMs and use them every day but these people need to stop this hyperbole.
Looks very capable
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Dust spins softly through the stacks
Browse one row nearby
by gpt-5.6-sol
Worst launch of a product in history.
All the hype for few vip customers.
Jesus so much marketing slop - release it don't
Looking forward to some Chinese model kicking the shit out of it and being released for free.
All: let's keep the current thread for talking about the rollout, and switch to this one for talking about the model:
GPT-6 Astra - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49554643 (currently on the frontpage)